Recap #CCLiveChat March 9, 2012

CCLiveChatSo good to be back online with CCLiveChat! Again, the hour moved fast and our friends on their mobiles had quite a struggle to keep up. But that does not matter. I am very glad they were all there.

We discussed some DCC news and the “no progress” in the Zeigler case to move over to so many different things, my head spins! We covered the disappearance of Nancy Grunwaldt. It is one to watch as Nancy was never found. We got into a discussion on the Alice Hawkes case and explored some options there.

Updates from around the world included a 2000 year old cold case, solved by CT scan. But, who did it?!

Richard pointed out the Fingerprint Society Annual Conference April 13-15, 2012, in Derbyshire. Richard intends to tweet some of the sesisons so we reserve Friday April 13th’s cclivechat for that. I wish I could go. Just look at what the website says about the workshops:

Workshop participants will gain insight into;

  • The basis for palm print crease identification.
  • The three groups of palmar flexion creases, an in-depth understanding of nomenclature.
  • How palmar creases develop.
  • Which creases are more valuable for identification purposes.
  • A method for palm print crease analysis and how to effect a palm print crease comparison.
  • The two methods of proceeding with a palm print evaluation.
  • How to generate your own sufficiency data.
  • The challenges of palm print crease identification.”

Anything I forgot? Just post it in the comment section below this recap. The verbatim text is here as usual.


Vidocq_CCIt is noon! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:00:09 +0000
Vidocq_CCFirst and foremost a thank you to all who sent words of sympathy. I am doing better. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:00:31 +0000
Vidocq_CCI have been able to sleep for some hours for the past three nights as opposed to no sleep for weeks. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:00:57 +0000
Vidocq_CCIt makes a difference. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:01:04 +0000
Vidocq_CCTo update you on the Zeigler case: there are no updates. Still awaiting Judge Whitehead's ruling on the DNA. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:01:41 +0000
LilacLounge@Vidocq_CC very glad to hear it 🙂 #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:01:45 +0000
Vidocq_CCHis previous ruling took about 4 months so ... #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:02:02 +0000
Vidocq_CC@LilacLounge Hi Sue and thanks. Appreciate your support. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:02:36 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC so glad you feeling a bit better. Am half here, on way home from work on mobile #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:03:08 +0000
Vidocq_CCIn more uplifting news: Vidster goes on tour next month! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:03:24 +0000
Vidocq_CCMy tour will take me from the UK to the USA by blog, of course! No singing, acting, dancing. Just blogging! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:04:36 +0000
LilacLounge@Vidocq_CC this is exciting! Where will your tour take you? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:05:04 +0000
Vidocq_CCThe results? Check DCC's homepage for tour details! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:05:20 +0000
Vidocq_CC@LilacLounge From a place near you back to the East Coast in the USA! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:06:08 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC have been following recent re-opening of Nancy Grunwaldt case from 1993 in my home state of Tasmania #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:06:44 +0000
Vidocq_CCSlow movement in murder trial for Trey Noah, Kendalia, TX. If anyone has updates on the appeals pending in that case lemme know! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:07:06 +0000
Vidocq_CCSilvia Pettem has joined the DCC family of collaborators and has posted a three-part analysis of Joseph Halpern's case. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:07:40 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac Details please! That sounds like something Vidster wants to read about! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:08:08 +0000
Vidocq_CCNancy Grunwaldt case here #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:08:50 +0000
Vidocq_CCA detective thinks Nancy was not murdered but her death was an accident #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:10:37 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC case involved German backpacker who disappeared on Eastcoast of Tas #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:11:05 +0000
Vidocq_CCSilvia Pettem will be blogging on DCC about very old, cold cases and we really mean, decades old. This way they get 1/2 #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:11:36 +0000
Vidocq_CCre-newed media attention and we may be able to network with other blogs/sites to get local media interested again. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:12:03 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac Do you believe she was murdered or that her death was an accident? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:12:29 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC some locals linked Grunwaldt case to Victoria Cafasso's also unsolved case but think was just coincidence #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:13:44 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac Could it have been a hit-and-run? We'd need the autopsy report to see what her injuries were. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:13:45 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC we'd need her for autopsy sadly. They never found her #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:14:37 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC Victoria Cafasso: #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:16:44 +0000
TrickyCaseHello #cclivechat I'm in!Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:16:53 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac Have they ever re-searched the area where she disappeared? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:17:00 +0000
TrickyCase@Vidocq_CC @moinamac there is a big forensic conference in Tasmania later this year.. It would be good to generate interest #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:18:14 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC A lot, no trace of her or her bike. Could have been hit & run/disposal somewhere, Tassie quite easy to hide people #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:19:51 +0000
Vidocq_CCRT @TrickyCase @moinamac there is a big forensic conference in Tasmania later this year.. It would be good to generate interest #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:20:00 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase Hi Richard! Great idea! By the way, remind me. The case you might wanted to blog about, was that Joe Helt? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:20:40 +0000
moinamac@TrickyCase @vidocq_cc I know would love to go, ANZFSS conferences always good apparently #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:20:51 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac @trickycase Is there a link to that conference? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:21:45 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC @trickycase yep, perhaps Richard could find if on comp, I am trying to avoid pedestrian fatality whilst tweeting! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:23:24 +0000
Vidocq_CCIs anyone following the LaDonna Cooper cold case from Illinois? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:23:34 +0000
Vidocq_CCThere is also renewed interest in the Canadian cold case of Kathryn-Mary Herbert(11) #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:25:37 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC will have a look when home! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:26:32 +0000
TrickyCase@moinamac @Vidocq_CC I'm on phone at the moment, but bear with me #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:27:15 +0000
Vidocq_CCLast, the cold case of Tina Marie Pitts has been solved by DNA and sealed with a guilty plea! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:27:45 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase No problem, Richard! You can also add it later in the comment section underneath the recap! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:28:12 +0000
Vidocq_CCBy the way, has anyone (aside from @miriamsaid) been able to dig into the Alice Hawkes case from the last chat? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:30:00 +0000
Vidocq_CCI have posted the Lil' Penguin's thoughts but have not been able to dig into any papers. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:30:26 +0000
TrickyCase@Vidocq_CC @moinamac the link to the ANZFSS International Forensic conference is #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:31:17 +0000
Vidocq_CCNew followers: sorry to mess with your stream. I do that every Friday from noon-1pm EST for a cold case livechat! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:31:54 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC @miriamsaid not yet, but there are things in the back of my mind running around, asking for attention..... #CClivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:32:07 +0000
TrickyCase@LilacLounge @moinamac @vidocq_cc mines a bit on the slow side... But coping well under the #cclivechat pressure!Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:33:03 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase Thank you, Richard! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:33:12 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card Does the landlord play a role in your thoughts? More than the boyfriend? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:33:44 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase @lilaclounge @moinamac Pressure? What pressure? 😀 #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:34:17 +0000
LilacLounge@TrickyCase @moinamac we are all on phones! Mine's taking an age to update, but I am here! @vidocq_cc #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:34:24 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC boyfriend really bothers me, a lot. also, her friend who did not go to funeral, will consider landlord, great thought #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:35:25 +0000
Vidocq_CC@LilacLounge Not a problem, just glad to have you there. Musings can always be posted in comment section below the recap later. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:36:02 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card All three bother me to be frank. Glad to have you thinking with us, David. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:36:53 +0000
moinamac@TrickyCase @vidocq_cc thanks Richard! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:37:34 +0000
Vidocq_CCHave you seen this? Iron Age murder mystery solved by CT scan #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:38:39 +0000
RisWritesRT @Vidocq_CC: Have you seen this? Iron Age murder mystery solved by CT scan #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:38:59 +0000
Vidocq_CCThe scan shows he as bludgeoned over the head, garrotted and then beheaded - leading archaeologists to suspect he was sacrificed #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:39:17 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC the attack really leads me to think someone with romantic interests did it..... very personal, vengeful attack #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:39:36 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card Agreed! Alice did know her murderer, for sure and yes, the attack was very personalized. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:40:59 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card Could she have indicated a "break up" with the boyfriend? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:41:20 +0000
Vidocq_CC@RisWrites Thanks, I find this stuff fascinating! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:41:41 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC i think so, i don't remember exactly what it was, but i have that impression. something very wrong in bf actions. #CClivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:43:15 +0000
Vidocq_CCDenver cold-case team ties inmate to 20 deaths #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:44:11 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC Coronial findings into Victoria Cafasso - interesting re: footprints never photographed #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:44:21 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC also, the bit where the "wrong key" was left out, do we know if it really was? or ruse to create witness? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:44:32 +0000
Vidocq_CCVincent Groves' DNA will be compared to evidence in various cold cases, this is one to watch! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:45:08 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac I read about that, correct. Major mistake although they's argue "many foot steps on a beach." #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:46:04 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC the "bf" actions indicate a real lack of concern about #AliceHawkes to me. Y not bust in,if he really cared for her? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:46:10 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card That is another puzzle piece we need to sit on! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:46:26 +0000
Vidocq_CCI think I got you all my updates on cold cases ... lemme check my notebook! Sec .. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:47:15 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC indeed - Beaumauris Beach isn't that popular so likely to be dog walkers who could have been eliminated #oversight #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:47:25 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC my wife has incredible intuition and from our brief discussion of case, she thinks the bf primary person of interest #ccliveChatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:48:17 +0000
TrickyCaseThe @fpsociety are hosting a 3 day Forensic conference next month in Derbyshire.. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:48:54 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC and secondary is the "friend" who has never been to the grave, like ashamed to face #AliceHawkes for some reason #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:49:13 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card If she was my gf I'd have cracked the door or broken a window. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:49:46 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC As far as Tas conf goes could only find Queensland branch of society @QldANZFSS will email conf re: social media #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:50:05 +0000
Vidocq_CCRT @TrickyCase: The @fpsociety are hosting a 3 day Forensic conference next month in Derbyshire.. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:50:06 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC we are looking at as what kind of person did this, and match up with POI we know of #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:50:23 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase Someone should blog about that .... ahum ... hint! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:50:35 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac Thanks, Moina! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:50:57 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC i know i would not have taken off with friends without actually talking to her #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:51:06 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card Me either, you just don't do that. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:51:55 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC did not the bf run back to get landlord before actually going in? not action of a bf, but suspect covering up #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:52:20 +0000
Vidocq_CC8 minute count down, folks! Anything you wish to bring to our attention re unsolved murders ... do it now! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:52:33 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card That's what bothers me. Break in (more bf action) or, afraid to damage property? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:53:23 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC should validate with friends who had the idea for him to stay with them. was it bf initiate idea? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:53:26 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card Not sure, need to do a lot more reading but very glad you are mulling the case over! Keep at it? #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:54:21 +0000
TrickyCase@Vidocq_CC hint taken.. I should be tweeting the event.. There are sessions on Fri afternoon so could have a special #cclivechat?Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:54:22 +0000
LilacLounge@Vidocq_CC have bookmarked to read when I get home & about to set off. Be back later with better connectivity!! :))
Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:54:46 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC will do, now that wife is nearly fully recovered from surgery more time to read more.... #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:55:26 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase YES, let's! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:55:48 +0000
Vidocq_CC@LilacLounge Thanks Sue, talk later! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:01 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC the person that did this will not get away with it, it is there, just need to find the right rock to turn over... #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:14 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card My best to the lady! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:14 +0000
TrickyCase@Vidocq_CC it would be great for some of our UK #cclivechat friends to attend the @fpsociety event!! The Gala Dinner is always a good do!Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:21 +0000
iowa_card@Vidocq_CC ty, glad you are back and doing better! catch you later! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:43 +0000
Vidocq_CC@TrickyCase Shall I place it in the themed chats schedule on DCC? Will raise awareness as well. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:46 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC No worries, done - not sure what Prof society pres will make of little old me emailing re: social media but hey ho! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:57:11 +0000
Vidocq_CC@iowa_card Thank you, friend. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:57:39 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac LOL, thanks! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:57:56 +0000
Vidocq_CC60 seconds warning, folks! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 17:59:09 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC where did that hour go??! Much to catch up on on the #cclivechat stream!!Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:59:33 +0000
Vidocq_CCThanks to all brainstorming with us about unsolved murders. I know that we are being watched while we do so ... you never know! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 18:00:12 +0000
Vidocq_CC@moinamac It always flies by! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 18:00:26 +0000
Vidocq_CCThe recaps are very well read by certain folks so your musings do land on someone's screen and may eventually progress a case. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 18:01:07 +0000
moinamac@Vidocq_CC Thanks! Good to have you back!! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 18:01:14 +0000
Vidocq_CCThnak you all again! Recap on DCC later on, pls check schedule for themed chats on DCC's homepage. #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 18:01:40 +0000
bischofield@Vidocq_CC Was with you, Vid, #cclivechat but nothing to offer, so kept shtoom!!!Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:02:06 +0000
Vidocq_CCSigning off, BBL! #cclivechatFri, 09 Mar 2012 18:02:14 +0000